Orange Peel: Why does your new car have it? | New Old Cars (2023)

Author: Andre Clemente, Founder of New Old Cars, LLC ©
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Last updated: July 6, 2020













That orange peel on your new car? It’s left there on purpose. In fact, there are industry standards for orange peel on a scale of 1 to 10, used by every manufacturer. And guess what? It’s not going away anytime soon.

Yes, I know. You assumed all along that factory paint shops are negligent and that orange peel is a result of their “improper” or “rushed” application process.

You would be incorrect.

Maybe instead you assumed that orange peel is most obvious on high-end cars because the paint is “applied by hand”.

You would be incorrect.

The majority of articles, interviews, and forum posts you find online explaining orange peel on a new car is, unsurprisingly, opinionated and false. Maybe it’s because the science behind it all isn’t clear-cut. Paint is one of the most misunderstood automotive topics out there, and not just to the average consumer – we’ve run into professionals who had a hard time explaining it.

There is a lot of chemistry involved, and while you don’t have to understand it to the nearest micron, knowing the HOW and the WHY things occur will separate the myths from the facts. And while we have a separate article addressing the other factory paint defects you may see on a new car, this article focuses specifically on orange peel, including where it occurs within the automotive paint process.

Disclosure: This is a very in-depth article, so get comfortable. Every question you’ve ever had about orange peel on the factory finish will be answered here. Enjoy!

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The most advanced paint sprayer in the world: the Electrostatic Bell Cup Atomizer.

Photo credit: Swerea IVF

Say Hello to the Electrostatic Rotary Bell Atomizer

This is what all manufacturers use today to paint a car, and what the majority have been using since the late 90’s. It also happens to be the most advanced paint application technology in the world. If you’re wondering how these things work, just imagine if the droplets spewing out of your paint gun were electronically attracted to the surface of the car – without the use of compressed air!

That’s right – this bad boy spins up to 70,000 rpm to produce charged droplets that attract themselves to the subject vehicle in the booth. Paint is slammed into a bell cup via the spinning bell, igniting a “shearing” force that creates minuscule droplets. As the paint droplets bounce off the cup and into the air, they are immediately attracted to the nearest opposite charge, which happens to be the vehicle. In addition, the charged particles repel each other in mid air, so they never clump together – creating an ultra fine particulate spray. Combine this with airless technology (compressed air is only used to spin the cup, not spray the paint) and a low particulate velocity, and you have a drastic increase in transfer rate (the amount of paint from the sprayer that hits the surface) compared to the typical HVLP paint gun used by your local body shop.

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Here is an “externally charged” version of the sprayer. Those pointy claws at the tip are creating an electric field around the paint in mid-air, forcing the particles toward the car.

Photo credit: Chalmers University of Technology

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Two different color Camaros getting painted next to one another on the GM assembly line. Since the car acts as a magnet for the electromagnetic paint, the small amount of over spray that occurs (think 10% or less of the paint coming out of the gun) is kept at close proximity to the car.


The bell atomizer produces particles that are relatively even in size, while a body shop’s HVLP gun produces particles with excessive size variation in comparison. The result is a finish so uniform that it cannot be matched by any HVLP gun on the market. In fact, the paint particles that emerge are so fine and well controlled that, combined with the electronic charge, up to 50% more paint hits the surface compared to a typical HVLP air gun. More paint hitting the surface means less paint flying away into the air. This reduces the amount of paint used and therefore reduces costs dramatically (think hundreds of thousands of cars!).

Also, such an even coating means less paint is needed to produce a defect-free finish. While it is a known fact that higher paint thickness reduces the chance of orange peel, the idea of orange peel resulting from thin paint isn’t always true (depending on how thin). With this sprayer, you can have a defect-free finish with a paint thickness not far north of 100 microns. At this level , it has less to do with thickness as it does the uniformity of the coating – you don’t need multiple layers of paint to mask uneven “hills” and “valleys” on the surface if those hills and valleys don’t exist in the first place.

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A 5 series receiving BMW’s most expensive paint job (Pure Metal Silver) by hand in critical areas before the robots take over. This $10,300 paint has hundreds of thousands of aluminum flakes that reflect light like no other paint color offered by BMW. It starts with a coating of Glacier Silver Metallic, followed by Pure Metal Silver.

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Pure Metal Silver in the sunlight. Robots ensure each aluminum flake faces the same direction – this is a must to maintain a fluid reflection and sparkle (known as flop index) throughout the whole car. The combination of both will yield a brilliant surface with high DOI (Distinctness of Image, aka “image clarity”).

Combined with a state-of-the-art computer-controlled application system, you are looking at the most precise paint applicator on the market. Just ask some of the top dogs in the business, whose traditional methods of hand-applied clear coat happily gave way to the consistency of 6-axis robotic sprayers. According to Dave Walton, a Paint Director for Bentley, “There’s the fact that no two expert sprayers would apply that [coat] in exactly the same way“. Even Rolls Royce, who does everything else by hand, says the top coat involves the “only robotized process in the entire plant…and that’s because the clever machines apply precisely the correct amount of paint. You have a great difficulty of achieving this by manual (hand) application. These two automakers arguably produce some of the finest paint finishes in the world.

so if these sprayers are so good, then why is there orange peel?

To address this, let’s first get an exact understanding of what orange peel is. Here is the definition provided by ASTM International, a standards development organization used by the paint and coating industry:

The ASTM International’s Standard Terminology of Appearance (ASTM E 284 13b) defines orange peel as “the appearance of irregularity of a surface resembling the skin of an orange.”

In simple terms, orange peel is a form of waviness in the paint: if you could magically stare parallel to the surface of the paint, you would see miniature hills and valleys. Don’t bother trying to feel for it – the amplitude of the waves in the paint is typically in the range of 1 micron (µm).

Now … here is what most people don’t know:

Since the 1970’s, the automotive industry has established a standard scale for evaluating the degree of orange peel on a vehicle’s surface. A rating of 10 refers to no visible orange peel, while a rating of 1 represents heavily pronounced orange peel. The factory allows a different degree of orange peel for each of its models: the cheaper models may receive a thinner coat of paint with very little prep (resulting in a lower rating) while the flagship models and premium paint colors may receive enough prep and sanding to score much higher on the scale.

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Orange peel on a Japanese economy car.


You see, the cheap economy car will flow through the production line at a much faster rate than expensive cars – for example, a Japanese economy car can take 13 hours to build, while a German luxury sedan can take upwards of 40 hrs. The higher speed means less time for everything – less bodywork repair time on the shell, less prep time, less inspection time, and of course, less paint on the car (lower paint thickness = cost savings). However, car buyers in this low of a price range will not complain as much, especially when the paint finish is on par with the competition. It’s the buyers of premium cars who do the complaining, and rightfully so.


The big question is – where and how does the orange peel occur within the factory paint process?


Let’s go behind the scenes and examine the established modern paint process, using screenshots from Megafactories (National Geographic), How It’s Made: Dream Cars (Science Channel), and Made By Hand documentaries. It’s here you’ll realize that there isn’t one particular stage where orange peel occurs – there are multiple occurrences throughout the bodywork and paint process that lead to orange peel in the final paint finish.

The automaker’s process traditionally contains 5 stages: Cleansing, E-Coat, Primer, Base coat, and Clear coat, plus one or two baking stages and an inspection stage at the end. The baking stage after clearcoat is predominantly where orange peel makes an appearance (feel free to jump to this stage.) While the process varies slightly per manufacturer, it’s only in the details – the overall concept is the same. Keep in mind that this process has become almost entirely automated – the few people that operate on the line have to wear special lint-free clothing and enter an air shower before accessing the facility. This is one of the many ways manufacturers keep dust and foreign particles to a minimum.


STAGE ONE: BODY IN WHITE

The car enters the paint factory as a bare shell, known internally as a “body in white” (assembled body shell entering the pre-treatment process). The term “body in white” is a throwback to the old days, as this was the stage where bare shells were coated in white primer.

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Rare 1950’s footage of a Porsche 356 “body in white” getting pulled into the primer booth.

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A Porsche Panamera “body in white”, over 50 years later.

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Workers at a GM plant measuring the panel gaps on a new Camaro with a special laser and software


After the shell has been fully assembled by robots, humans go over the car by hand to eliminate dings and imperfections within the metal (known as the “substrate”). Gaps are checked with lasers, and all panels are aligned prior to the paint process. High end cars and flagship models see many hours in this stage, while cheap economy cars see very little (if any) bodywork here. Once both of these steps are complete, the body will enter the cleaning stages to remove any dirt and foreign particles.

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After panel gap alignment, body men scuff the car by hand to check for any imperfections the body may have received along the way.

Orange Peel Starts Here:
According to

Bob Hertel of BYK-Gardner

: “Each layer of paint – E-coat, primer, topcoat and clearcoat – must have a smooth, lustrous appearance as well as the requisite physical and chemical properties,” Hertel says. “This is not easily achieved, since vehicle parts have varying contours and the sheet metal from which they’re made has an uneven texture from the stamping process.”

BYK-Gardner conducted a series of tests which “concluded that changes in short-term waviness – the condition that causes the most noticeable orange peel – are caused by sheet metal roughness.”

In other words, the steel panels (“substrate”) have an uneven roughness that can telegraph through the clear coat. This means that no matter how well the factory applies the paint, orange peel waviness will show through if the metal isn’t smooth and straight. (To clarify, BYK isn’t implying that sheet metal roughness is the main cause of orange peel – they are implying that uneven sheet metal roughness (when it happens) causes the most noticeable orange peel in the automated process.)

(BYK-Gardner GmbH supplies objective measuring tools to the majority of automakers, where the demands for paint quality control are at an all time high. This includes providing them with a complete understanding of how to rate and control orange peel.)

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A Bentley is shown here receiving a dipping and “shower” as part of the pre-cleaning process. From Bentley: “even the oils from the human hand have to be removed to allow proper adhesion.”

On to the cleaning stages….

According to one manufacturer: “The body is sterilized in an almost medical environment to ensure dust or other pesky particles don’t cling to the bare metal.” It then travels through an airlock to either a chemical shower or to a room containing a series of full-body-immersion tanks. Each tank is filled with a chemical – such as zinc, nickel, and manganese – which de-grease, clean, and rinse the body. The entire pre-treatment process can take 8-12 stages. In the end, the shell will have a reactive surface.

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A CGI from Rolls Royce showing their Phantom getting dipped through multiple baths.

STAGE TWO: E-COAT/RUST AND CORROSION PROTECTION


The car body has a reactive surface from the previous stage, where it is then plunged into a bath of oppositely charged phosphate coating (the phosphate tank). Like metal to a magnet, the coating attracts itself to the body, forming a crystal (zinc) layer on the metal. This ensures both an incredibly strong bond and a complete, even application.

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Shown here is the Golf Mk7 getting an E-coat at the Wolfsburg VW plant in Germany.

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Here we see a Ferrari F430 going through the anti-corrosion stage. The chemical process occurring here remains a trade secret, as Ferrari claims to have the most advanced rust proofing solution in the world.

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Dipping a Mercedes C Class. E-Dipping a car provides many advantages. Not only does it promote even coverage, but it prevents the possibility of overspray and drip runs.

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The shell then passes through a full body oven, where the coating is completely baked on at over 300 degrees F. The surface is now sealed! From there, sanding may take place to remove imperfections, but this is increasingly rare as modern paint shops are producing fewer defects.

STAGE THREE: PRIMER

Not only is this is the bonding layer for the following coats, but the primer layer is also responsible for rock chip protection. Primer is applied via a dipping method where it is electro-chemically bonded to every surface, crevice, and gap in the body. Primer is almost never applied by hand, except for hard to reach and critical areas (ie. rocker/side panels) that are highly subject to paint chipping from rocks and foreign objects. Avoiding rock chips is a high priority to car makers for one reason: rust prevention. Any puncture through the sealed coating means air and moisture can penetrate to the metal. There is a reason your dealer offers touch-up paint sticks from the manufacturer! It’s less about cosmetics and more about protection against rust – the manufacturer has a warranty to honor!

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A Jaguar getting dusted by Ostrich feathers before heading into the primer booth. Ostrich feathers are incredibly efficient at trapping and holding dust.

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A BMW 5 series getting dipped in primer. Dipping avoids any possibility of over spray and ensures a thorough, even coating.

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A 599 receiving a powder coat. Ferrari is one of the first manufacturers to standardize powder coating in their primer stages. Powder coated primer provides an incredible defense against rock chips while releasing zero VOC’s into the air. The residual overspray in the air is sucked into the ground and recycled.


After application, the primer is fully baked to cure at 300 degrees F (350F for powder coats). Some manufacturers apply a “function” layer, which is a colored primer. This layer is either the same color as the basecoat, or a color needed for a special-effect base coat. More manufacturers are switching to basecoat-colored primers due to the improved “hiding power”, as less basecoat paint is needed for even coverage.

The most modern methods for lower priced mainstream cars involve a wet-on-wet-on-wet application (applying basecoat and clear coat while the primer is still “wet”). In this instance – a quick “flash” is all that is needed (not a full cure). Ford and Mazda are big advocators of the highly profitable triple-wet system, where the 3 layers are baked together as the final stage. This means all the curing can be done at the same time. This also means human interaction is no longer needed until the final stage.

In years past, manufacturers have avoided this “triple wet” method due to the lack of inspection and sanding between the 3 coats. Any defects won’t be noticed until the final stage, where a whole repaint would be required. However, modern paint tech strikes again – the combination of electro-static dipping, bell sprayers, high bake temperatures, and a near flawless environment – all contribute to a record-low number of paint defects. For some manufacturers, the figure is low enough where the triple wet system can be used successfully.

STAGE FOUR: BASECOAT

There are usually two different paths the shells can follow: one path leads to the “standard” color paint booth, while the other path will lead to a “special color” station – this is where the expensive paint options are applied (pearlescent, tri-coats, etc). The only parts of the car applied by hand are the areas where the machine can’t reach, such as door sills, drip sills, etc. Otherwise, the basecoat is almost always applied by robots. A quick flash in the oven will follow, since the majority of manufacturers use a wet-on-wet application of basecoat and clearcoat.

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A quick flash (1-8 minutes) allows solvent to evaporate, but does not allow cross-linking (curing) to fully complete. Not allowing solvent to evaporate in between coats will lead to solvent pops in the finish (essentially air pockets that burst).

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Italian Racing Red F-type – one of the many special paint colors offered by Jaguar.

Photo by TheCarSpy

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A 5 Series receiving a basecoat at the BMW factory. The robotic sprayers are designed to self-clean and switch paint colors lightning fast before the next shell arrives.


Sanding: Only the most high end, exclusive automakers sand after the basecoat stage. Sanding in between coats reduces orange peel dramatically, assuming proper paint application follows. Sanding is not as crucial in the first 3 stages due to the highly defect free e-dipping process used in said stages. However, exotic cars and unique limited edition paint schemes will receive sanding in between top coats. Manufacturers vary the level of orange peel on their cars by the amount of sanding allowed on a particular vehicle – high end cars usually receive the most sanding, while the cheapest cars may not even get touched by the human hand. More inspection time is also allocated towards the high-end paint finishes. Everything else about the paint process remains virtually the same.


STAGE FIVE: CLEARCOAT


Almost all manufacturers use one thick, even coat, with the exception of a few high end automakers (Rolls Royce, for example, uses 2 coats). According to BASF (supplier of clear coats to many car makers), the film thickness of today’s clear coats usually hover around 30-50 microns, making it the thickest layer on the car. This method is only done by machine. Clear coat is very expensive, so only the correct amount can be applied (no more, no less).

Here we see a 5 series entering the 5th stage. BMW’s clear coat is exclusively powder coated onto the car, making it one of the hardest, toughest clear coats in the industry (it also makes the finish highly prone to orange peel). BMW uses Enviracryl by PPG which, combined with PPG’s latest process that combines layers, results in a finish measuring 120 microns thick, according to BMW. This is a very thin finish for a powder top coat.

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STAGE SIX: BAKING/CURING

This is the most critical stage of the paint process, as it plays a key role in the gloss and longevity of the finish. The entire car is baked (for the final time) in a special oven designed to cure every square inch of the vehicle.

While the oven has been mentioned in previous stages, full drying and curing won’t occur until here.

Temperatures and times vary between carmakers, but according to Axalta (paint supplier), they range between 300 to 311 degrees (150 C-155 C) for around 24 minutes.

Why so hot? High temperatures produce a higher gloss and better adhesion, according to Infratech, supplier of car ovens. It also has to do with the boiling point of water.

As of now, waterborne paints have fully replaced solventborne paints of the past. Water plays the role of a solvent, and therefore needs to be fully evaporated for the paint to cure. That being said, water evaporates at 212 degrees F. High temperatures must be reached if the goal is to evaporate all water completely out of the surface in a timely manner.

The end result? The paint is 99% cured at the end of the factory line. The remaining 1% takes about one week (that off-gassing is the new car paint smell!). By the time the car hits the dealership, it is fully cured.

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The oven is shaped so that the car enters up from the bottom, moves through the oven, then exits back down below. This is a highly efficient drying strategy – since hot air will only rise up, all the heat remains in the oven, as it can’t escape the lower exit points.

PHOTO BY AUTOMOTIVE PAINTS AND COATINGS, 2ND EDITION.
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Data from DuPont (now Axalta) on waterborne clear coats. Temperatures reach as high as 311 degrees F (155 C). Photo by Automotive Paints and Coatings, 2nd Edition

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These infrared and convection heat tunnels are basically industrial strength air dryers. The drying speed is not limited by heat transfer, but kinetically by the removal of water vapor from the film–air interface. Infra-red is a better overall drying solution, but it’s not great for all the complex shapes of today’s cars, which is why old school convection ovens are needed.

photo by Core Jr of Core77.com

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A visual of a Porsche Macan sitting in one the most modern ovens in the world. These new style of ovens allow the car body to cure from the inside out, allowing a faster and more complete cure of structural areas of the body. In addition, many of these ovens utilize UV curing, which use light instead of heat to cure the paint in a matter of seconds.
Photo: PCI Mag

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ORANGE PEEL MOMENT:
This stage is predominantly where orange peel emerges, and manufacturers have been working hard to reduce it. Orange peel is a natural occurrence of the curing process – it cannot be avoided, only minimized and removed.

An easy way to prove this is to explain the term “off-gassing”. Off-gassing is the release of VOC’s (solvents) into the air. If you’ve ever had your car repainted, you’ve surely smelled it before – that new-repair smell can last for many weeks.

As soon as the smell goes away, you will notice a dull haziness leftover in the paint of the repaired panel. This can happen 30 days or more after the repair, and many customers bring their car back because they are unhappy with the dull texture all over the paint. That “haziness” is orange peel, and even the best refinishing shops struggle to avoid this. Sanding and polishing are required to remove it.

But why? Why does paint do this? And does this have anything to do with the orange peel found on new cars?

The answer is yes.

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The paint on this Jaguar XJ8 has just finished off-gassing from a previous repair. This orange peel was non-existent the day it was picked up from the body shop. But fast forward 30 days, and this is what you see. Once the water completely evaporated, the paint shrank as the ingredients linked together, known as cross-linking (the linking of ingredients after the solvent evaporates). The ingredients with similar surface tension will clump, leaving an uneven texture in the finish that can only be described as orange peel.

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When paint dries to a cure, two phenomenons occur: solvent evaporation and cross-linking.

You see, when paint is applied, it is full of solvent. Solvent is what holds the paint together – it exists to control flow, act as a thinner, and resist sagging during the drying/cure process. Solvent is a liquid that carries the paint solids from the spray gun to the vehicle’s surface.

As it enters the oven, the solvent begins to evaporate, and flow control begins to diminish. In today’s waterborne paints, water acts as the solvent – so when it evaporates, all that’s left is the solids of the paint. The ingredients within the paint shrink to fill the void left by the solvent (water). The ingredients are attracted together and come in contact with each other – this is called cross-linking. Most of the ingredients have different surface tensions, but the few that have similar surface tensions will “clump” together, leading to unevenness in the film. This unevenness is called orange peel.


To make matters worse, water has a high surface tension, which means it doesn’t flow well. Unfortunately, a proper paint finish requires good flow. Flow is what allows the waves and hills within the paint to even out, or “flow out”. In addition, the flow properties and drying rates of waterborne paints are extra sensitive to changes in humidity, and humidity can be difficult to control in a factory setting. The drawbacks of waterborne have increased the difficulty of controlling orange peel on the production line, which is one of the reasons why orange peel is less of a problem on older cars with solventborne paint jobs.

While good practices can reduce orange peel to a minimum, it cannot be avoided – orange peel is a natural occurrence within the paint curing process. Even the best painters in the world can’t avoid a small amount of orange peel, which is why cutting and buffing is the next step that follows after the paint cures. Sanding, cutting, and buffing is the only solution to a finish that is free of orange peel.

STAGE SEVEN: PAINT INSPECTION

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Land Rover’s Special Vehicle Operations (SVO) Team inspection booths. Here is where freshly painted Range Rovers are examined.

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SVO team member completing a walk-around and removing blemishes, as well as sanding and polishing any solvent pops (trapped air), rough edges, and other foreign particles found in the paint.

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A total of four people are implemented to inspect one car. In addition, there are four quality audits assigned to each vehicle.



In this era, the human eye is no longer competent enough to spot imperfections on its own. Automakers have an arsenal of highly advanced inspection tools to accurately confirm the condition of the paint finish. These instruments include multi-angle gloss meters, which are needed to view gloss at different angles and verify flake orientation. In addition, spectrophotometers measure total color impression, ensuring all panels have exactly the same shade of color, gloss, and sparkle. Bumpers are excluded from this test –

since bumpers are plastic and require a different application and curing process,

they are painted elsewhere. Instruments also test paint hardness to ensure all panels have cured equally, which will result in even flake orientation.

Crucially, equipment is also used to measure orange peel, as only a certain amount is allowed depending on the car. Different levels of orange peel are judged on a scale, using instruments that can measure waves within the paint far beyond what the human eye can see.

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Say hello to the BYK Wave-Scan. Essentially an orange peel glossmeter, this tool is used by manufacturers to rate orange peel on an industry standard scale between 1-10. A rating of 10 refers to no visible orange peel, while a rating of 1 represents heavily pronounced orange peel.

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Some manufacturers are sophisticated enough to have the inspection stage almost entirely automated. Here we have robots conducting measurements on a BMW 5 series.



Inspecting for orange peel is one thing. Removing or reducing it is another. We know that the only way to remove it is via sanding and polishing. If you visualize some of the most beautiful paint jobs you have ever seen – whether an aftermarket show car or a factory paint job – just know that the paint finish has been sanded and polished religiously to achieve its incredible gloss and depth.

Unfortunately, only a small percentage of manufacturers sand their cars after curing, known as the “wetsanding” stage. Since the manual labor of sanding is incredibly expensive, only the most exquisite vehicles partake in this stage. This is why you don’t see any orange peel on the exterior of a new Rolls Royce or Bentley:

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Bentley’s 12 hrs of polishing and wetsanding removes nearly 2/3 of the clearcoat layers. Multiple coats of clear and a 22 step process makes this process feasible.

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Rolls Royce spends hours on this stage to remove all traces of orange peel on the exterior surface. Thanks to multiple coats of clear to sand through, no orange peel is visible in the resulting finish.

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The key to a perfect finish is to sand in between color and clear coats so that it is perfectly flat. The person sanding can actually hear a tone change when the paint levels and the orange peel is removed.

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Rolls Royce claims “you get the best paint finish in the world” when you purchase one of their cars. One walkaround of a new Rolls will make it hard to argue.

THE RESULTING PAINT FINISH

let’s analyze the results of your brand new car’s paint job:

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From a distance, it looks bold and stunning. You have perfectly uniform, color matched panels with flawless gaps. Flake orientation is perfect. Gloss is brilliant.

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However, a close up reveals the orange peel…


The surface will appear very brilliant with a high DOI (Distinctness of Image, aka “image clarity”). DOI is characterized by the sharpness of an image produced by reflection on a surface (basically, how sharp is your reflection in the paint?). Unfortunately, the paint finish will also be dominated by short wave orange peel.

However, you will notice that the orange peel only appears at certain angles and at a certain distance. When viewing from different angles, the orange peel seems to disappear. The reason? It’s because the human eye is barely strong enough to detect the unevenness in the paint:

“The real height differences [of the orange peel] cannot be resolved with our eye. The maximum detectable height difference [by the human eye] is approximately 20 µm. The mechanical amplitude of an automotive coating is typically in the range of 1 µm. Thus, our physiological impression is dependent on the contrast sensitivity and resolution capability of our eyes” – Gabi Kiegle-Bockler, BYK-Gardner GmbH.

BYK-Gardner GmbH supplies objective measuring tools to the majority of automakers, where the demands for paint quality control are at an all time high. This includes providing them with a complete understanding of how to rate and control orange peel.

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“Orange peel can be seen on high gloss surfaces as a wavy pattern of light and dark areas. Depending on the slope of the structure element (aka the curvature), the light is reflected in various directions. Only the elements reflecting the light in the direction of our eyes are perceived as light areas” – this is why the human eye sees orange peel as such an unattractive irregularity.

Quote and photo credit: BYK-Gardner GmbH – This is why the human eye sees orange peel as such an unattractive irregularity.

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There are two types of orange peel – short wave and long wave – and each appear differently to the human eye. According to BYK, wavelengths of orange peel range from .1mm to as wide as 30mm. (From a viewing distance of 40cm, any wave less than .1 mm is below the human eye’s resolution.) Wavelength amplitude (height) is within the range of 1 micron.

HOW WE PERCEIVE ORANGE PEEL

Orange peel will appear differently depending on distance, color, type of finish, sunlight, viewing angle, and the shape and location of the body panel on the car:

1. DISTANCE

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The distance between our eyes and the paint surface will determine the intensity of the orange peel (short wave or long wave) and whether or not we can detect orange peel at all.

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2. COLOR

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Black paint reveals more orange peel to the human eye than any other color. As shown here, a black Lotus Elise is showing orange peel near the lower wheel arch.

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The white paint finish of the same year does not show any orange peel. According to Automotive Paint and Coatings 2nd Edition, silver paint masks orange peel better than any other color, due to its phenomenal hiding power. White follows closely behind. (only generic paint colors are referred to. Different shades of each color vary the orange peel visibility)

3. TYPE OF FINISH

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Comparing two BMW Silver Paints! Here we have an brand new BMW F10 5 Series in Glacier Silver paint ($550 option) sitting on the dealer lot. While this is a great example of how difficult it is to spot orange peel on silver paint, this “standard” color receives only a small amount of paint inspection with no sanding. Orange peel is unavoidable.

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Pure Metal Silver ($10,300 option) has hundreds of thousands of aluminum flakes that reflect light like no other paint color offered by BMW. This particular photo was taken by a BMW F10 forum member upon delivery. This paint sees more sanding and correction time than any other BMW color, allowing factory detailers to reduce orange peel to a point near extinction.

4. SUNLIGHT

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Modern metallic finishes have unmatched hiding power in the sun. Notice how this fender lacks a reflection of its surroundings – it is only reflecting the abundance of light off the surface. The reflectivity of the flakes, which have perfect orientation, result in fewer “dark areas” that would come across as orange peel.

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On the other hand, the passenger side fender (on the same car) does not receive direct sunlight. As a result, the fender reflects an image of the car next to it, outlining all the orange peel it has to offer. Something to think about when you park your new ride at a car show!

5. VIEWING ANGLE

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Some finishes won’t reveal any orange peel unless you are at just the right angle. As the (inexperienced) photographer of this photo, it took an entire two minutes to successfully capture orange peel on this fender.

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Same fender, different angle.

6. SHAPE AND LOCATION OF THE BODY PANEL

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Flat surfaces like the hood and trunk lid are less susceptible to orange peel than vertical surfaces, as gravity has less of an impact. Even Chris Wilkes of Rolls Royce admits “the roof and bonnet are generally not sanded or polished as their horizontal surfaces get fully ‘wetted out’ by the paint application and do not suffer from any orange peel.” (source)

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As paint cures, it relies on solvent to hold the paint as it dries. Unfortunately, even the best solvents cannot defy gravity, which is why the sides of the car will have the most pronounced orange peel. Vertical concave surfaces, in particular, pronounce orange peel more so than any other surface.

WHAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED

  • Orange peel is a natural occurrence in the painting process, and can only be removed with sanding and buffing.
  • Orange peel can result from methods as early as the first stage of bodywork, although it mainly occurs as a result of the curing process, and it stays on due to the lack of sanding in the inspection stage.
  • Manufacturers find the right balance of clear coat thickness for cost effectiveness and durability for each vehicle class, price bracket, and special paint option.
  • The manual labor to remove orange peel is incredibly expensive, so only the most high end manufacturers produce vehicles with an orange peel-free finish.
  • Even if the manual labor were somehow automated, removing clearcoat diminishes the longevity of the finish.
  • Multiple layers of clear coat would solve the longevity issue, but the expense is unjustifiable considering the gloss and shine of the current finish using only one coat of clear. As a result, only one layer of clear is used on almost all cars produced today.



Many complaints have been made to every single manufacturer regarding orange peel, so why has nothing been done about it? It’s not about money – manufacturers will spend millions on technology to get rid of nuances that annoy the customer, so why not invest in the extra layer of clear and manual labor?

THE TRUTH


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Meet the average buyer.


The cost of the labor is not the only thing stopping the manufacturers from removing orange peel. There are three other reasons that force the manufacturer to leave it on:

Orange peel will eventually wear off from abuse, wear and tear.
While clear coat is harder and stronger than ever, the orange peel is thinner than ever – the multiple layers of orange peel run only 10 to 12 microns deep into the clearcoat (this is how much a wet-sand detail would have to remove to eliminate all orange peel, on average). Running through a car wash every 4-6 weeks, getting detailed 4 times a year, driving 20k miles a year through bad weather, parking out in the sun, and overall improper paint maintenance will mean this thin layer will wear away in a matter of years – sometimes well before a 60 month new car loan is paid off!

The average buyer doesn’t notice or care.
Unlike you, the average buyer won’t recognize orange peel until you point it out to them. Honestly, go ask your neighbor what they think about the orange peel on their car. They’ll give you a blank stare. People have accepted the fact that this is what a new car paint job looks like. The reality is that the paint colors today are more exotic than ever before, and the finish employs a higher gloss unlike anything ever seen on cars of the past. There are people who I meet regularly who don’t notice orange peel and have no idea what I am talking about.

The average buyer doesn’t know how to maintain a Rolls Royce quality paint job.
Yes, the average car buyer has no idea how to properly maintain the paint on their car. Imagine if all of our cars had Rolls Royce paint jobs! How long do you think the finish would last in the hands of the average driver? Remember, sanding and buffing the clear coat reduces the thickness of the coat, which in turn lowers the UV protection and longevity. It also increases sensitivity to scratches, machine car washes, severe weather, and high mileage driving. Since the manufacturer has a warranty to honor, there is a minimum paint thickness that must remain on the car when it leaves the factory. Anything less, and durability will be compromised.


SO WHAT DO I DO?

As much as we all hate orange peel, it’s not going away any time soon. There’s really only one solution for a show car paint finish on your new car: go spend money on a full wet-sand detail to have it removed (or learn to do it yourself). Yes, it’s pricey and time-consuming, but you’ll have the cleanest car on the block – free of orange peel.


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About the Author: Andre Clemente, amember of the Society of Automotive Historians (SAH), hasspent over 12 years in the business of buying and selling cars –half of those years were dedicated to the classic car/sports car business. As an automotive paint fanatic, Andre has been hyper-focused on learning paint correction and inspecting automotive paintwork, working alongside veteran dealers, brokers, and a licensed Concours judge in the process. Years of real-world practice and application gave him the experience to identify inaccuracies and myths that are widely accepted when authenticating a vehicle’s paint job. Rather than keep his knowledge as a trade secret, he has decided to share theresearch and insider details he’s learned to help educate the collector car community on everything related to paint inspection and preservation of “new” old cars.

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Even so, most new car finishes dry with a slight bit of orange peel. Orange peel is the result of how the painter applied the paint and the environment in which the paint dried, and while it's factory-correct (even among high-end cars like Porsches and Ferraris), it does tend to diminish some of the shine in the paint.

How do you fix orange peel on car? ›

Basically you wet the surface and the sandpaper, and diminish the clear coat until the surface is smooth. Then you follow with a polishing procedure to further smooth out the scratches you have created with the sandpaper.

How do you remove orange peel from new paint? ›

The best way to remove orange peel without sanding is to use fast cutting compound. Cutting compound is an abrasive paste that will erode an extremely thin layer of paint and wear away the orange peel in the process. Pick up some fast cutting compound at a local automotive or construction supply store.

Why does new car paint look different? ›

When it's first applied, exterior paint dries and cures. If left alone, the finish is dull and imperfect, filled with tiny dimples, divots, and dips. Topping it with a glossy clear coat fills in those imperfections, leaving a smooth, shiny surface. Adding a matte clear coat has a different effect.

Can orange peel texture be removed? ›

Orange-peel textures can usually be repaired simply by using an ordinary 3/8-inch nap paint roller to slightly stipple a coating of wet wallboard compound spread across the surface. To practice your technique, you'll need pieces of ordinary cardboard, scrap wallboard, or plywood.

Can orange peel be removed from paint? ›

Orange peel paint is very common on new car finishes today due to the paint type now being used in the manufacturing process. Yes it is possible to remove some level of orange peel just by using compound but we would recommend sanding first with either P1500 or P2000.

Can too much paint cause orange peel? ›

What causes orange peel? Orange peel is typically the result of improper painting technique. It is caused by the quick evaporation of thinner, incorrect spray gun setup (e.g., low air pressure or incorrect nozzle), spraying the paint at an angle other than perpendicular or applying excessive paint.

Why does my car paint look like orange peel? ›

What is the orange peel effect in paint? The name orange peel is given by the resemblance of the final paint finish to an orange peel. This problem is caused by the lack of stretching or levelling of the paint, resulting in a deformed surface and in an increased thickness of the final coat.

Why is my new paint peeling off my car? ›

Peeling. Auto paint is protected by a layer of clear coat, so it takes considerable wear or damage for it to peel. Most often, it's caused by a poor paint job or prolonged exposure to the sun. Dings and damage to the clear coat that exposes the underlying paint can also cause peeling.

How long should paint last on a new car? ›

The paint on most modern vehicles will last about 10 – 15 years, while the paint on vehicles made before the 1960s will last about 5 – 10 years. Learn more about how long paint lasts on a car with Eli's Collision Repair, then read more about how much a new car paint job will cost and how to repair car paint oxidation.

Why is factory car paint better? ›

Factory paint has the best strength and adhesion, because factory painted topcoat is cured at a higher temperature. In factory the curing temp is in the range of 350F. Conversely, aftermarket paint is cured at most in the range of 150F.

Does orange peel texture need to be sanded? ›

You can't just jump right in and apply your texture on virgin drywall—it needs to be sanded, cleaned, and primed in order to get the texture to stick in a way that's smooth and free of grimy flecks of dirt beneath.

What tool removes orange peel? ›

Orange peel can be easily removed using GreenZ XtremeCut Compound 350 with GreenZ Denim Pad on rotary polisher. GreenZ XtremeCut Compound 350 is an extremely high abrasive compound designed to work on the toughest paint defects like orange peel and 1200 or finer sanding marks with low dust and high yield.

Is orange peel texture common? ›

Orange Peel

Like the name suggests, this texture resembles the skin of an orange and is the most common texture found in residential construction. Orange peel comes in several variations: light, medium & heavy and is applied by a spray gun.

Will 2000 grit sandpaper remove orange peel? ›

What You Will Need: Sandpaper suitable for wet sanding. Depending on the severity of the orange peel, this should be 1500-grit sandpaper or 2000-grit sandpaper and move up to 3000-grit sandpaper.

Will clear coat get rid of orange peel? ›

After applying several coats of clear and then a `flow coat` of extra thin clear, the orange peel vanished. I haven`t even buffed it yet and it looks near flawless. I`m amazed that when it comes to painting, there is so much disagreement. Also, a bit of info on some sanding.

Why does my rolled paint look like orange peel? ›

A roller with a thin nap gives a smooth finish, while a thick nap creates a textured finish. Generally, a nap up to 3/8 inch will produce a smooth finish, but starting at about 1/2 inch the fibers will start to create an orange peel effect. As the size goes up, so does the amount of texture created.

How do you spray without orange peel? ›

With the newer water-based materials orange peel is usually a result of spraying on too thick of a film. Try spraying an extremely THIN FILM, but still WET coat. A wet coat being “no dry spots that you think will flow together” and at the other end “no puddles or runs”. Remember don't turn the air down too much.

How long after orange peel texture can you paint? ›

DRY TIME: Allow to dry 5-30 minutes (depending on heaviness of texture) before priming and painting. Heavier textures may require a longer dry time.

How long does orange peel spray last? ›

For a homemade orange cleaner, in a small saucepan, combine the peel of one orange for every 1 cup [120 ml] of water. Bring this to a boil and then simmer for 15 minutes. Once it cools, transfer to a clean spray bottle. It will keep for up to one month.

How many coats of paint on new cars? ›

Typically, it will take three to four coats to completely cover the surface. Be sure to follow the manufacturer's drying time – this can vary from 20 minute to an hour.

Is orange peel in paint or clear coat? ›

What is clear coat orange peel? Orange peel is essentially an imperfection in your custom car paint job. The clear coat is rough, and the paint looks uneven because the light reflects off it at different angles to the lack of a smooth finish.

What are the new flat colors on cars called? ›

"What we might also refer to as 'flat,' matte finishes don't shine like traditional car finishes," Kelley Blue Book wrote in a 2022 blog describing the trend. "The term 'stealth' comes to mind when we see a car in matte gray or matte black. 'Hot' pops into our heads when the matte finish is in another color."

Does Turtle Wax rubbing compound remove scratches? ›

Use anytime on unsightly scratches & blemishes. Turtle Wax Scratch Repair and Renew contains powerful, ultra-fine polishing agents that quickly cut and remove scratches in the clear coat.

Is peeling paint covered under warranty? ›

If your car's paintwork is peeling or rusting due to a manufacturer defect, it will be covered by your car's warranty. On the other hand, your car warranty will not cover paint damage if it is verifiably caused by environmental effects or general wear and tear.

Why is my new exterior paint peeling? ›

Often, you'll find exterior peeling paint around windows, doorways and gutters.It will generally happen for one of two reasons, moisture under the paint or poor paint adhesion. Exterior peeling paint should be dealt with quickly so that water damage doesn't occur to your new home.

What stops paint peeling on a car? ›

Apply Paint Protection Film. Paint protection film will give your clear coat additional protection from elements such as stone and rock chips, sand, and bad weather, that heavily contribute to untimely car clear coat peeling. It will protect your car the same way a screen protector protects your cell phone screen.

What is the best month to paint a car? ›

Automotive Paint in Fall

With mostly dry, warm weather conditions in the fall months, and rain typically holding off until the latter part of November, autumn is an ideal time to apply a coat of paint to your car.

How much would it cost to repaint an entire car? ›

Cost of painting your car

In general, expect to pay between $300 and $10,000 for a professional paint job. The upper end of that price range is where we find metal flake, multi-colored, and custom paint jobs, so there's no need to spend that much unless you're prepping your car for a show.

Does repainting a new car devalue it? ›

With the most popular paint colors on the market currently showing as white, black, gray, and silver, (which together account for 77% of new car colors), it makes sense that these particular shades depreciate at around the industry average rate of 15% per year over the course of the first three years of ownership.

Which car manufacturer has the best quality paint? ›

Top Tier or A grade
  • Ferrari.
  • Porsche.
  • Lamborghini.
  • Lexus.
  • Acura.

What is the hardest wearing car paint? ›

Urethane paint is the most durable auto paint and is also chip-resistant—when properly maintained, a coat of urethane paint will outlast most acrylic paints.

What is the hardest car paint to maintain? ›

Black and red are—by far—the hardest colors to care for. They need to be cleaned, waxed, and buffed often due to how easily they show everything. Dirt, mud, scratches, dents, dings…you name it, it's clear as day on a black or red paint job.

Will wet sanding remove orange peel? ›

Wet-sanding (or “color sanding” if you're old school) is the recommended way to eliminate deep defects, orange peel, or paint defects from a painted surface. This method will ensure a more constant finish and is overall safer than dry-sanding.

Will rubbing compound fix orange peel? ›

Yes it is possible to remove some level of orange peel just by using compound but we would recommend sanding first with either P1500 or P2000.

Will 3000 grit remove orange peel? ›

The Maxshine Purple Velvet Orange Peel Removal Pads are rated at 3000 grit, and they are milder and will reach the best effect of removing orange peel.

What grit is best for removing orange peel? ›

Sandpaper suitable for wet sanding. Depending on the severity of the orange peel, this should be 1500-grit sandpaper or 2000-grit sandpaper and move up to 3000-grit sandpaper.

How do you prevent orange peels? ›

With the newer water-based materials orange peel is usually a result of spraying on too thick of a film. Try spraying an extremely THIN FILM, but still WET coat. A wet coat being “no dry spots that you think will flow together” and at the other end “no puddles or runs”. Remember don't turn the air down too much.

Why does my car paint feel rough after respray? ›

This is perfectly normal (although it's something you'd want to fix by claying the paint). In short, that rough texture that you feel is basically a mix of micro-level dirt that has stuck to your clear coat that won't come off with a simple wash.

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